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I have been away from my Flist for a while, but just dove in for a few. Seems like a number of people are upset at the turn-around in Brian, and believe that he is acting in an "uncharacteristic way."

It seems to me that Brian is a very driven person, who puts himself 110% behind anything that he decides to do. And he has decided that he loves and needs Justin. And is willing to do whatever it takes to make that happen.

I think that the bombing was a catalyst to him, making things align in new and different ways, and showing him that his maintainance of the party line of "no regrets" and never saying 'I Love You' was really just a facade. He realized that he could lose Justin forever, and that would make all his words (or lack thereof) ashes in his mouth. So things clicked into place, and a "new" Brian was born.

I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions.

Date: 2005-07-25 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorkdance.livejournal.com
I agree completely -- although I don't know if it's carried further in 511, being that I haven't seen the episode yet. It seems like a dramatic situation such as the club bombing is always the catalyst in causing a re-evaluation of a person's life.

I don't think Brian was acting OOC at all. Nearly everyone he cared about was almost blown to pieces by the bombing, and those people who want him to stay the same despite that need to get their heads checked.

Date: 2005-07-25 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] its-ktd.livejournal.com
I totally agree. I think Brian is just showing his true colors :)

Date: 2005-07-25 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com
I would like to disagree on this. I see Brian's reaction differently, judging his character throughout the series. Whenever he is close to losing Michael, Brian will go after someone else he feels close to-- Justin.

Example:
Mikey leaves for Oregon. Brian decides to go to the prom to get Justin.

Brian is so close to losing Michael after the bombing, that he figures that the ONLY person he has left is Justin, therefore in his moment of shock, anger, emotion, he gives Justin what he wants: an "I love you", marriage, a house-- just so that he doesn't lose the other person who cares about him.

(You'll also notice that during the dream scene, it is Michael he's thinking of after he lost both Justin and Mikey in an earlier episode).

Date: 2005-07-26 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heretic-x.livejournal.com
This is the WORST and most ridiculous B/M spin I've read in a long time.

Date: 2005-07-26 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nereis_/
Totally agree with you heretic lol

Brian dreams with Michael because he knows Justin is already safe.

Date: 2005-07-26 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com
....

Okay, but you do realize that my real OTP is ChrisHobbs/Justin right? I'll ship anything with proof, but if you look at the series as a whole, that's how the b/m relationship works.

Date: 2005-07-26 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] qafhappy.livejournal.com
Love that icon!

So... if you ship Justin/Chris, do you have the link to that fic where they actually go all the way in the above scene? With Chris on the bottom?

I can't seem to find it anywhere...

Date: 2005-07-26 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtney_beth.livejournal.com
You know what, I've read it and remember it clearly, but I don't have the URL O_O I'll go on the hunt for it again and see if it pops up anywhere.

Date: 2005-07-25 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphire9977.livejournal.com
I was really worried and actually mad about this turn of events when I heard the spoilers, but I'm actually somewhat surprised that it doesn't seem that out of character to me. I was totally expecting it and totally worried that Cowlip had been reading too much fanfic, but actually it's believable, at least to me. We will see how he is during the last couple of episodes *sob*

Date: 2005-07-25 09:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jealin98.livejournal.com
Oh I agree also. I think the fact that life is truly giving him the biggest lesson...that it can be taken away in the blink of an eye...Brian wants to rethink his life plan. He has seen before that people you care about can be taken away with the swing of a bat...No more can he just stand aside and not make that move to let Justin know just what he means to him. The first time they barely knew each other, I mean they had some fun times but hell since then look what all has happened with them, they have been down, up, through more crap and came out on top...How could he possibly not let him know that he loves him.

I personally have wanted him to say it for some time, I am very glad he did, and I don't see it as a character assassination at all. I could care less whether they get married, with the ceremony and all that...But the seriousness of a relationship and the ILY is what I have wanted.

Date: 2005-07-25 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tclark1922.livejournal.com
When you are faced, not once but twice, with the loss of the person you are in love with I'm sure it would even make Brian sit up and take notice. It's not about Mikey, it's about not ever being able to tell Justin how he feels and that he no longer wants to hide behind his "I don't do love...I don't need anybody" principles. His reactions are totally in character because he knows, given his conversation w/ Justin, what Justin needs before he will believe Brian's turnaround. So he gives it to him...not only the words, but the deeds go hand in hand this time. No OCC here for Brian. He goes to extremes to tell/show Justin how he feels and that he wants a true reconciliation between the two of them.

Peace
TK

Date: 2005-07-25 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazy4qaf.livejournal.com
I so agree with you.

And I definitely loved that scene, despite some people thinking that they`re somewhat OOC for Bri, although IMO they`re not at all, cause Bri always hides so much inside himself. Like he`s waiting for that "right time" to disclose it all to the person he wants to. Plus, all those behaviours come to the surface now and then. People just choose to disregard the signs of it, exactly cause they think it`s OOC.

So, to make a long babble short :), it all built up inside Brian to the point where he, IMO, didn`t see the purpose of keeping it all to himself. He simply HAD to tell it to Justin. He didn`t have the choice. But, since it`s a somewhat new emotion, being out in the open, I don`t think he knows yet how to work with it. Since, we all know he would do almost ANYTHING to make Justin happy. *grins*

Date: 2005-07-25 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] claudia79ad.livejournal.com
When I was watching the show I was totally behind the whole turn around. I believed Brian's assertion that he would be as for the idea as he was opposed, but the conversation in the house . . . it was just so cheesy and cliche ridden that it killed my enjoyment. And I'm a cheese lover. The 'For my Prince' line especially made me want to puke.

Date: 2005-07-25 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terpmusings.livejournal.com
I totally agree. The ILY was totally in character and even him wanting to be committed to Justin. The part that had me swallowing my own vomit was the disgusting things coming from brian's mouth! "I'm taking a chance on love?!!". Kill me please. Brian Kinney may be full of shit and we all knew that he was so fucked when it came to loving Justin, but the cheese is really just like wtf. In the words of Emmett, "that doesn't sound like the Brian Kinney we all know and feel ambivalent about."

Date: 2005-07-25 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phluphee.livejournal.com
i think Brian is an opinionated person of extremes -

the beg. of the season he was against the "stepford fag" mentality - after the bombing he realizes what he could possibly lose through his ideals, so he shifts to the opposite extreme.

seems 100% believable to me - (as did the ending of 513 that everyone seems to have such a problem with.)

Date: 2005-07-28 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spooky-page.livejournal.com
I don't see the problem with it. It's quite possibly the best ending I've seen since The X-Files. It comes full circle and gives a sense of closure.
(I hope I wasn't too detailed for the liking of the spoiler virgins... If I was, please delete this.)

Date: 2005-08-01 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phluphee.livejournal.com

It comes full circle and gives a sense of closure.

Possibly Spoilery











we are in the minority unfortunately. i think after the "my prince" romance, peeps are going to be seriously let down.

Date: 2005-07-25 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julie709.livejournal.com
I like the new Brian. I am glad that he finally realized that his 'no regrets' life style wouldn't be able to last forever that he could lose Justin in an instant.

Date: 2005-07-28 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spooky-page.livejournal.com
I think that he's finally growing up and accepting reality.
I don't necessarily think a new Brian was born.... I just think that he's finally seen who he's become. Like who he is has finally caught up to him and shattered his facade.

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